Forums | MacLife

Scott · 2007-06-11 1:54 pm

http://www.apple.com/safari/download/

PB3, lets hope there are some JS fixes for Safari in general.

TonyPrevite · 2007-06-11 3:38 pm

Whoa! Hopefully it won't be ANY different than the Mac version... I can see a scenario where it forks off and becomes it's own animal thus creating yet another browser to contend with.

Let's hope not, and yeah, I'd like to see it get some JS improvements, it needs them badly!

Scott · 2007-06-11 4:20 pm

Oh... the PB is nice. The quickpost box here is resizable!

There are some differences in the JS stuff. It is a little more strict, it fails on some stuff that worked before, and some of the problems encountered before are still there. However, that may be related to bad code, not Safari.

Google spreadsheets seem to work fine, though I don't remember if they were broken before.

registered_user · 2007-06-11 7:25 pm

It feels almost dirty. But at the same time, I wonder why it took so long.

Antonio · 2007-06-11 7:38 pm

CSS 3 support for Windows!
Woot!
big_smile

registered_user · 2007-06-11 8:07 pm

I kind of wish there were a list of changes that might be of interest to web developers.

FutureDreamz · 2007-06-11 9:35 pm

registered_user wrote:
It feels almost dirty. But at the same time, I wonder why it took so long.

There was a attempted Windows WebKit browser called Swift. It was abandoned because it was too hard to port WebKit. Tho you can still find that program.

Scott · 2007-06-11 10:19 pm

Rumor mill has it that Konquererererer is going to release both an Win/OSX version soon.

Scott · 2007-06-11 10:22 pm

registered_user wrote:
I kind of wish there were a list of changes that might be of interest to web developers.

Here is a complete list:
• Multiple background images
• Bunch of other smurf that isn't nearly as cool or useful.

Scott · 2007-06-11 10:29 pm

registered_user wrote:
It feels almost dirty. But at the same time, I wonder why it took so long.

Honestly, I am still a little surprised. iTunes was a natural, it was to sell music and iPods.

While I love that Safari is on windows, and hope that this raises the bar for the web development community (and users by extension), I don't see the immediate business logic. Though I am sure there is one, and a very good one, regardless of my lack of vision.

They did mention the iPhone a lot, there may be something to do with developing web apps. This may simply be a small piece for a much larger vision. I remember the scattered all the little pieces that eventually added up to iTMS.

Gipetto · 2007-06-11 11:35 pm

It was a surprise to me as well. I never thought it would make its way to Windows.

However, anything that helps push web standards is a good thing. More support for Safari means more people bitching about this or that not being supported... more weight on MS and Firefox to keep moving forward.

Gipetto · 2007-06-11 11:35 pm

And god damn if it isn't fast. Even in a VM on XP its damn fast. The native OS X version is damn fast on an older 1.67Ghz powerbook.

TonyPrevite · 2007-06-12 12:07 am

Gipetto wrote:
The native OS X version is damn fast on an older 1.67Ghz powerbook.

Hey don't call my Powerbook older yet, I feel like I just got it! wink

Scott · 2007-06-12 1:30 am

Powerbook? What the hell is a Powerbook? Sounds like one of them old fashioned Macs. Does it have a color display? wink

TonyPrevite · 2007-06-12 1:47 am

Hey watch it, I know you go back a long way like me tongue

Miles · 2007-06-12 1:47 am

Scott wrote:
While I love that Safari is on windows, and hope that this raises the bar for the web development community (and users by extension), I don't see the immediate business logic.

I got a vague "iPhone web apps" vibe from the keynote too, but according to John Gruber, it's all about the Google search.

Gipetto · 2007-06-12 7:09 am

TonyPrevite wrote:
Gipetto wrote:
The native OS X version is damn fast on an older 1.67Ghz powerbook.
Hey don't call my Powerbook older yet, I feel like I just got it!

Well, unfortunately the G4 was already long in the tooth when I bought this sucker new... Its a little trooper though wink I was surprised just last night when I threw Fedora 7 on there and Beryl worked right out of the box - in fact, FC7 worked better than YDL!

Scott wrote:
Powerbook? What the hell is a Powerbook? Sounds like one of them old fashioned Macs. Does it have a color display?

The worst part is that I have a decked out MBP at work. When I come home my little baby feels a bit, well, inadequate...

Last edited by Gipetto (2007-06-12 7:11 am)

registered_user · 2007-06-12 7:37 am

If they want to move Safari into the forefront, they have to move to Windows. There are many sites that just don't work in Safari, and that'll always be a problem if it's a minority browser on a minority platform.

So the visibility of Safari will boost the Apple brand and ultimately sell more Macs.

Or something.

And I've got an overflow auto glitch... it creates a scroll bar where there was none... that's why I was asking about changes.

Scott · 2007-06-12 2:48 pm

Miles wrote:
Scott wrote:
While I love that Safari is on windows, and hope that this raises the bar for the web development community (and users by extension), I don't see the immediate business logic.
I got a vague "iPhone web apps" vibe from the keynote too, but according to John Gruber, it's all about the Google search.

Yea, and that is a little makes my eye twitch just a little bit.

Don't get me wrong, I am a true Bondi-Blue Fanboi, and adore all things Apple, but... It feels a little like the path that IE went down. If Safari gains decent market share (at least enough to be a force), and starts adding Safari specific things, that is the same stuff that pissed me off with IE stuff. Granted the difference here is that Mac users are not out of the loop, but still you are binding things to a browser.

I love Safari, it is my primary browser, it is where all my bookmarks are and what I always use. But occasionally I have to switch to FF to for somethings. I hate that.

Gipetto · 2007-06-12 4:53 pm

Is Safari adding "safari only things" or is it implementing more of the HTML & CSS specs than the others?

I thought it was the latter.

I've already uninstalled the beta - I found some javascript (testing the checked state of a checkbox) where it was reporting booleans backwards. Yes, it was my own code, and no it wasn't perfect, but it wasn't backwards boolean wrong...

Last edited by Gipetto (2007-06-12 4:54 pm)

reefdog · 2007-06-12 5:24 pm

One-machine-reef over here isn't about to install such a long-fingered beta on his production-and-only machine (even with nightly SuperDuper clones), so can someone please let me know if Safari finally supports clicking on labels to activate "for"-associated checkboxes/radiobuttons? (If you've not got your own quick page around, use the Safe Search section of Google's prefs page.)

Seriously, that's such a basic and wonderful piece of UI, I have no idea why it's taking so long for Safari to support it.

Scott · 2007-06-12 5:31 pm

reefdog wrote:
One-machine-reef over here isn't about to install such a long-fingered beta on his production-and-only machine (even with nightly SuperDuper clones), so can someone please let me know if Safari finally supports clicking on labels to activate "for"-associated checkboxes/radiobuttons? (If you've not got your own quick page around, use the Safe Search section of Google's prefs page.)

Oh... forgot about that one.
Yep, it appears to work for both radio and checkboxes. Yeah!

FutureDreamz · 2007-06-12 5:59 pm

Apparently long-time Windows-only users hate Safari.
I'm trying to post the link, but I think they did something so it doesn't open in WebKit, so it crashes my RSS browser Vienna.

reefdog · 2007-06-12 6:01 pm

Thanks Scott. That makes me happy.

FutureDreamz wrote:
Apparently long-time Windows-only users hate Safari.

What, all of them?

FutureDreamz · 2007-06-12 6:04 pm

reefdog wrote:
Thanks Scott. That makes me happy.

FutureDreamz wrote:
Apparently long-time Windows-only users hate Safari.
What, all of them?

http://www.wired.com/gadgets/mac/commen … fmac_0612/

a few, tho after finally looking at the page, he just hates Safari.

Last edited by FutureDreamz (2007-06-12 6:09 pm)

Forums | MacLife

#1 2007-06-11 1:54 pm

Safari for Winders!

#2 2007-06-11 3:38 pm

Re: Safari for Winders!

#3 2007-06-11 4:20 pm

Re: Safari for Winders!

#4 2007-06-11 7:25 pm

Re: Safari for Winders!

#5 2007-06-11 7:38 pm

Re: Safari for Winders!

#6 2007-06-11 8:07 pm

Re: Safari for Winders!

#7 2007-06-11 9:35 pm

Re: Safari for Winders!

registered_user wrote:

#8 2007-06-11 10:19 pm

Re: Safari for Winders!

#9 2007-06-11 10:22 pm

Re: Safari for Winders!

registered_user wrote:

#10 2007-06-11 10:29 pm

Re: Safari for Winders!

registered_user wrote:

#11 2007-06-11 11:35 pm

Re: Safari for Winders!

#12 2007-06-11 11:35 pm

Re: Safari for Winders!

#13 2007-06-12 12:07 am

Re: Safari for Winders!

Gipetto wrote:

#14 2007-06-12 1:30 am

Re: Safari for Winders!

#15 2007-06-12 1:47 am

Re: Safari for Winders!

#16 2007-06-12 1:47 am

Re: Safari for Winders!

Scott wrote:

#17 2007-06-12 7:09 am

Re: Safari for Winders!

TonyPrevite wrote:

Gipetto wrote:

Scott wrote:

#18 2007-06-12 7:37 am

Re: Safari for Winders!

#19 2007-06-12 2:48 pm

Re: Safari for Winders!

Miles wrote:

Scott wrote:

#20 2007-06-12 4:53 pm

Re: Safari for Winders!

#21 2007-06-12 5:24 pm

Re: Safari for Winders!

#22 2007-06-12 5:31 pm

Re: Safari for Winders!

reefdog wrote:

#23 2007-06-12 5:59 pm

Re: Safari for Winders!

#24 2007-06-12 6:01 pm

Re: Safari for Winders!

FutureDreamz wrote:

#25 2007-06-12 6:04 pm

Re: Safari for Winders!

reefdog wrote:

FutureDreamz wrote:

Board footer