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#1 2007-07-07 5:40 pm

geekette28
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Virginia Speeding Fines

As suggested by justine in another post, I decided I'd post my take on this:

http://www.journalnow.com/servlet/Satel … 7645509161

Part of me says this is actually great, it might actually get some of the people here to drive at a normal speed. And then they would be helping to foot the bill for some much needed road improvements in the state. I'm really tired of punks in wannabe crap hondas posing as race car drivers. If you wanna throw your life away, do it so that no one else will suffer. Actually, we should probably give them all darwin awards, for reducing the idiot driver population.
Also, I am now paranoid about going 10 miles over the speed limit here. I won't do it. Although all of my experiences with the police have been ok (like being helpful when my car suddenly died on me), I can just see how these laws could be too strict or just plain abusive. Now we can have signs that say: "Welcome to Virginia, home of the most expensive speeding ticket in America."


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#2 2007-07-07 5:50 pm

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Re: Virginia Speeding Fines

Actually, i suggested you post your hatred for commercials in here, but this is good, too.

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#3 2007-07-07 5:53 pm

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Re: Virginia Speeding Fines

Yeah, this is more important than comercials in my opinion.
Here's something from the Washington Post's blogs
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/rawfishe … id=topnews


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#4 2007-07-07 5:53 pm

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Re: Virginia Speeding Fines

$1k for going 85 in a 65... personally, I think that's a good idea. shrug

So what's the fine for 10 or 15mph over? I imagine it would be much lower.

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#5 2007-07-07 5:55 pm

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Re: Virginia Speeding Fines

I guess 10 or 15 over is only $100 bucks

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#6 2007-07-07 5:58 pm

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Re: Virginia Speeding Fines

geekette28 wrote:

Yeah, this is more important than comercials in my opinion.

You can't do both? No one ever said a rant in here had to be important. 95% of them aren't. smile

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#7 2007-07-07 5:59 pm

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Re: Virginia Speeding Fines

The fines start at 20mph over the speed limit. I'm always watching for police cars, there's lots of places that they can 'hide' just off of the road, hold up their speed meters, and wait for prey. The county police aren't any friendlier either. They've been cracking down quite a bit too, although I think it's cuz of fourth of july.


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#8 2007-07-07 6:03 pm

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Re: Virginia Speeding Fines

Their speed limits are too low and the fines are too high.


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#9 2007-07-07 6:05 pm

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Re: Virginia Speeding Fines

While i think $3000 speeding fines are pretty smurfed up, having high fines for doing more than 20 over isn't a bad idea. I just don't think speeders should pay higher fines than drunks.

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#10 2007-07-07 7:01 pm

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Re: Virginia Speeding Fines

Note that while the fines are outrageous, the state also levies up to an $1100 "driver responsibility tax" on residents, making it far worse. I live in Maryland, so if I get busted in VA, it's just the regular fine. Also, judges are forbidden to reduce it or suspend it. There's also an annual fee for any points you have on your license, that lasts as long as the points.

Virginia is smurfing crazy. I drove to Richmond one Sunday a few years ago, and they were having an "enforcement day" where they had state police setting up speed traps every two miles -- literally-- all the way down I-95. It took forever. I just stay out of their crappy state as much as possible.


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#11 2007-07-07 7:09 pm

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Re: Virginia Speeding Fines

I wonder how many people will be able to afford to keep their licenses in VA, and then start driving on a suspended.

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#12 2007-07-07 8:03 pm

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Re: Virginia Speeding Fines

justine wrote:

I wonder how many people will be able to afford to keep their licenses in VA, and then start driving on a suspended.

Knowing VA, that will probably get you the death penalty.


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#13 2007-07-07 8:20 pm

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Re: Virginia Speeding Fines

If the big fines start at 20 over I'm not sure there is a problem really. In Illinois where I grew up, at 20 over you can be cited for reckless driving which can get your license yanked and its been that way for years.
On principle tho I think that penalties should only be imposed for valid law enforcement reasons, not as a back door way to raise revenues.


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#14 2007-07-07 11:45 pm

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Re: Virginia Speeding Fines

Instantaneous driver's license suspension is the fair cure for those high speeds.

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#15 2007-07-08 1:39 am

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Re: Virginia Speeding Fines

The trick with speeding is not getting caught, people die when they are killed, shoot the Cyberdemon until it dies, etc. etc.

I'll be damned if I'm not going to drive 85 in a 55 when conditions are permitting and I get a lot better gas mileage at those speeds.

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#16 2007-07-08 3:48 am

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Re: Virginia Speeding Fines

Good.  Now permanently suspend licenses with an appeal option for drunk drivers and i'll be happy.


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#17 2007-07-08 8:22 pm

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Re: Virginia Speeding Fines

Gurlugon wrote:

The trick with speeding is not getting caught, people die when they are killed, shoot the Cyberdemon until it dies, etc. etc.

I'll be damned if I'm not going to drive 85 in a 55 when conditions are permitting and I get a lot better gas mileage at those speeds.

Really, that's amazing. 

My car does about 36 MPG at 65 MPH.  It does about 28 MPG at 75 - 80 MPH.

Have you actually kept records and tested your assertion?

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#18 2007-07-08 8:27 pm

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Re: Virginia Speeding Fines

Fines for excessive speeding should be excessive.  Over 100mph should be at least $5000.  Over 120 (like some of these sports cars will do) should result in the state taking the car.


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#19 2007-07-08 8:30 pm

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Re: Virginia Speeding Fines

This law can't last.  Someone important will get popped and they will set the legal sharks on it.  The fine should be the same for locals as they are for out of state people.

Stay tuned!

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#20 2007-07-08 8:33 pm

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Re: Virginia Speeding Fines

CeeJer53 wrote:

Gurlugon wrote:

The trick with speeding is not getting caught, people die when they are killed, shoot the Cyberdemon until it dies, etc. etc.

I'll be damned if I'm not going to drive 85 in a 55 when conditions are permitting and I get a lot better gas mileage at those speeds.

Really, that's amazing. 

My car does about 36 MPG at 65 MPH.  It does about 28 MPG at 75 - 80 MPH.

Have you actually kept records and tested your assertion?

I have, and I've maintained the same efficiency 65-80. I've never maintained >80 for long enough to tell, though.


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#21 2007-07-08 8:42 pm

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Re: Virginia Speeding Fines

Gatchaman wrote:

Fines for excessive speeding should be excessive.  Over 100mph should be at least $5000.  Over 120 (like some of these sports cars will do) should result in the state taking the car.

How about like in Germany, they base the fine on the offender's income in addition to the offence?  One guy paid about $50,000 for the same offense another guy paid only about $5,000 for.

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#22 2007-07-08 10:37 pm

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Re: Virginia Speeding Fines

I think this is some serious bullsmurf.  With most criminal activity, you have a chance to prove your innocence, but not with speeding.

I set my speed to 5 over the limit.  I'm passed by just about everyone on the road.

Recently I got pulled over.  The cop said he pegged me at 13 over.  CLEARLY, he zapped the SUV next to me, but mistakenly thought he got me.  Any idiot could have seen that it was 100 meters ahead of me by the time he pulled me over.

Unfortunately, it's your word against his.  AND, there is ZERO chance that you won't pay money, either via the ticket, lawyer's fees or as a transfered 'parking' fine if you win the court case.

I think that's some serious bullsmurf.  Speeding tickets are a TAX.  They do not save lives.  There are some really idealistic people in this thread...


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#23 2007-07-08 11:16 pm

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Re: Virginia Speeding Fines

10 mph over the limit is the norm here. I try to go the speed limit through town (45 mph!), and people blow by me like I'm standing still. Otherwise I too, go 10 over. On the freeways, it's 20+.

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#24 2007-07-09 3:07 am

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Re: Virginia Speeding Fines

Gatchaman wrote:

Fines for excessive speeding should be excessive.  Over 100mph should be at least $5000.  Over 120 (like some of these sports cars will do) should result in the state taking the car.

A "sports" car will do a lot more then 120.


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#25 2007-07-09 3:38 am

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Is there any chance that this would constitute cruel and unusual punishment?  Those prices seem outrageous.


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