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Uhhh, yeah right.

-mark

Could be the default margins built into IE6.

I always start my css file with this and build from a clean slate.

html, body, ul, ol, li, p,
h1, h2, h3, h4, h5, h6,
form, fieldset, a {
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
border: 0;
}

Last edited by Light Speed (2007-07-09 4:44 pm)

Its hard to say without a visible link, but I would guess you are up against the weirdness that is IE 6 in terms of calculating its own math for the box model. IE 5.x and 6 will take the width property as the sum of the width of the content, padding and borders. This makes the elements smaller than intended and will cause layouts to "break." The best way to avoid this is to avoid adding padding to elements with a set width.

Don't abandon floats just yet. If the math is correct floats work like a charm!

Max

Last edited by Maxweb (2007-07-09 6:49 pm)

I can count extra gray hairs from screaming frustration at IE6!!! I mean it. I have found myself cursing at my display yelling, "die you f*cking browser die!!!" It boggles my mind that in 2007 there are still so many Windows weenies who are not even aware that there are better browsers out there. IE6 is like a giant anchor slowing down what modern web development could become. Like PNG graphics etc. I need to stop muttering...

Max

Last edited by Maxweb (2007-07-09 7:03 pm)

OK I can post a link, but I fixed the issue with some CSS hack hiding some markup from the browser.  And it does sound like a default margin, even though I have 0 padding and 0 margins on nearly everything related to the, how should I say, formatting? design?  whatever.

Here is a link of what I have going on, I am basically re-doing the company site; and they wanted to look real close to the new brochure.

html
css

The last time I checked I had the valid doctype, well at least it validated on the w3c site.

Personally I think it has something to do with floats.  IE6 just does not like them.

Miles I did just that, and it is really bizarre.  Basically (once you see the page) the lower part of the image used to have a gray bar to the left (only in IE6) even thought the <div> main body text (white) did not.  It is really weird.

-mark

Maxweb wrote:

I can count extra gray hairs from screaming frustration at IE6!!! I mean it. I have found myself cursing at my display yelling, "die you f*cking browser die!!!" It boggles my mind that in 2007 there are still so many Windows weenies who are not even aware that there are better browsers out there. IE6 is like a giant anchor slowing down what modern web development could become. Like PNG graphics etc. I need to stop muttering...

Max

Couldn't you have something that detects what browser that person that forwards them to a page if they have -ie6 that essentally says:

Your browser's crap.
install Safari (Link).

Last edited by FutureDreamz (2007-07-09 8:48 pm)

Maxweb wrote:

You can do that, but saying "your browser sucks" is poor form. I have slowly become used to IE 6 and now can build clean sites that will render OK. But it has been a slow, uphill battle. Learning how to unite xhtml and CSS without using a crutch like Dreamweaver was hard enough. Like many folks I felt punched in the stomach when I first opened my design efforts in IE 6. I have since had a custom PC built just so I can check on IE's "performance." Over time I have learned how to get around many of the IE issues without using tons of hacks and browser specific CSS. There are some cool design effects that could become standard practice but everyone is waiting patiently (or impatiently) for IE 6's user base to dwindle down to nothing...

Max

I said "that essentaly says"
so you could say somethig like "IE6 has been detected. t is recommended that you use IE7, FireFox, or Safari."

That is stupid.
IE can work, and if it can, you still shouldn't exclude it just because its a pain in the arse. Its our jobs to work around smurf like this, even if it is frustrating.

After a while you just find yourself not doing the things that IE doesn't like.

But, to reiterate, browser requirements, aside from requiring a 5+ browser, is just dumb and in a lot of cases will end up losing users.

That said, I only test IE 6 & IE 7 on windows - I don't care about IE < 6. It can break if it wants to. My job is in the technology sector - anyone hitting my work's site in less than IE 6 shouldn't be in the job they're doing.

Last edited by Gipetto (2007-07-09 11:40 pm)

You'd jump off a cliff too?

There's plenty of people out there that either don't know or don't care. That's their, and sometimes our, problem. They're either lazy or smurfy and if they see it happening to them they'll think its OK.

Lead by example and maybe they'll one day think " why can't I get my site to work in all browsers? " - at least, we can hope.

Last edited by Gipetto (2007-07-10 12:39 am)

Yes as much as I'd like to give the IE coders an all afternoon ass whip, the reality is that the site has to work in it, regardless.

And I wholeheartedly agree that it is lazy and unprofessional to "NOT" test your site on all the major browsers.  Hell I am actually checking mine on Lynx for text only goodness and also without Javascript in an attempt to make it as accessible as I can.

I'll make no assertions pretending I am a web designer, I'm not. When we get to the point of needing database interaction then I am going to have to take a hard look and decide if I want to even go further or just bail on the idea.  PHP would probably be a good thing to learn, but I really have no major interest in it.

Personally I think I do ok, considering I have no formal training, and I code everything from hand using SubEthaEdit. I actually have a very big bias against WYSIWYG programs. Oh well.

-mark

Last edited by avkills (2007-07-10 7:50 am)

Any forum sucks balls in a text only browser.

Alright, back to my weirdness, if anyone has decided to check the markup out, should I re-think my formatting again, or I am pretty safe with what I have now?

I'm tempted to do what Miles suggests, but instead re-work the entire formatting.

-mark