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#51 2007-07-12 10:27 pm

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Re: The 20 Worst Windows Features of All Time

It is pretty bad.


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#52 2007-07-12 11:07 pm

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Re: The 20 Worst Windows Features of All Time

As for the CTRL+ALT+DELETE / Task Manager in Windoze, I don't even bother with the "Quit Application" screen within the TM. I go straight to "Processes" instead and kill "WINWORD.exe" or "OUTLOOK.exe" (two of the biggest offenders, IMHO) instead.

That way, there's no 8-9 "This Program is Not Responding" windows that pop up because I'm impatient when nothing happens. Just kill the process, and you're good to go. Except if it's "explorer.exe" that gets stuck. Then it's best to just...well, buy a Mac.


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#53 2007-07-12 11:28 pm

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Re: The 20 Worst Windows Features of All Time

BearsFan34 wrote:

As for the CTRL+ALT+DELETE / Task Manager in Windoze, I don't even bother with the "Quit Application" screen within the TM. I go straight to "Processes" instead and kill "WINWORD.exe" or "OUTLOOK.exe" (two of the biggest offenders, IMHO) instead.

That way, there's no 8-9 "This Program is Not Responding" windows that pop up because I'm impatient when nothing happens. Just kill the process, and you're good to go. Except if it's "explorer.exe" that gets stuck. Then it's best to just...well, buy a Mac.

If you experience explorer.exe locking up often then check out ShellExView. its a freeware program that allows you to control any explorer shell extensions that are installed on your machine.

I've found that most explorer hangs are caused by 3rd party shell extensions. You can disable them with this tool and get back to a smooth running state.

http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/shexview.html


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#54 2007-07-14 10:30 am

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Re: The 20 Worst Windows Features of All Time

That was amazing.


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#55 2007-07-15 10:55 am

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Re: The 20 Worst Windows Features of All Time

What about the feature that causes it to become slower and slower as time goes on until you're forced to burn everything you own to DVD and format once a year?


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#56 2007-07-15 1:43 pm

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Re: The 20 Worst Windows Features of All Time

4. Notifications
"Hey, you've just installed a program! A network cable is missing! You've got icons on your desktop you're not using! Windows is constantly alerting us to stuff it thinks we should know, usually by means of word balloons that pop up from the System Tray. (Which, incidentally, is more accurately called the TaskBar Notification Area.) An amazing percentage of these messages are painfully obvious, irrelevant, or just plain inaccurate. Never have so many computer users been distracted from their work by interruptions so useless."


Painfully obvious is right on. I can't believe their isn't a master switch somewhere that can turn this stuff off completely. I'd rather do that and suffer the consequences of not being informed than constantly be distracted by pop-up balloons.

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Based on the findings of the report, my conclusion was that this idea was not a practical deterrent for reasons which at this moment must be all too obvious.

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#57 2007-07-15 2:47 pm

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Re: The 20 Worst Windows Features of All Time

God I hate those things. "Network connection was detected". Yes.. I know.. I just CONNECTED THE DAMN THING! Balloons like that can be useful when giving information that is critical. But not stupid "duh" things like that. Maybe when your battery gets to 10%, the icon turns red and a balloon (Non-obtrusive, non-modal) pops up informing you, but not when something good happens that should happen right anyway.


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#58 2007-07-15 2:54 pm

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Re: The 20 Worst Windows Features of All Time

"Balloons like that can be useful when giving information that is critical. But not stupid"

Moreover, I can't figure a way to TURN IT OFF! At least give the user that option.


Based on the findings of the report, my conclusion was that this idea was not a practical deterrent for reasons which at this moment must be all too obvious.

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#59 2007-07-15 4:44 pm

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Re: The 20 Worst Windows Features of All Time

Art743 wrote:

2. The Trash Can is not capable of restoring a file to it's original location. In some cases where the file may be related to a program or other operation, this can be serious.

Systems 6 - 9 had a feature called "put away" that did exactly this.  It also, IIRC, worked for files that were moved to the desktop, and it could also eject mounted volumes.  Sadly this was one of many features lost in the transition sad


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#60 2007-07-15 5:29 pm

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Re: The 20 Worst Windows Features of All Time

ActionAttackJohn wrote:

What about the feature that causes it to become slower and slower as time goes on until you're forced to burn everything you own to DVD and format once a year?

Or you can just defrag your HD.

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#61 2007-07-15 7:03 pm

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Re: The 20 Worst Windows Features of All Time

Solving only one of the many many many issues that kill Window's performance.

At best, even with keeping the drive defragged, you have to sacrifice the performance of the system to protect the performance of the system.

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#62 2007-07-15 8:28 pm

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Re: The 20 Worst Windows Features of All Time

adamjg wrote:

"Balloons like that can be useful when giving information that is critical. But not stupid"

Moreover, I can't figure a way to TURN IT OFF! At least give the user that option.

Read through the thread, its been posted.


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#63 2007-07-15 8:55 pm

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Re: The 20 Worst Windows Features of All Time

HackerJax wrote:

adamjg wrote:

"Balloons like that can be useful when giving information that is critical. But not stupid"

Moreover, I can't figure a way to TURN IT OFF! At least give the user that option.

Read through the thread, its been posted.

Great, thanks for the info!

Too bad they couldn't have made it easier by having a check box on/off switch somewhere rather than a registry edit job that could potentially "...cause serious problems that may require you to reinstall your operating system." I love reading alarming warnings like that.

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Based on the findings of the report, my conclusion was that this idea was not a practical deterrent for reasons which at this moment must be all too obvious.

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#64 2007-07-15 10:30 pm

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Re: The 20 Worst Windows Features of All Time

ActionAttackJohn wrote:

What about the feature that causes it to become slower and slower as time goes on until you're forced to burn everything you own to DVD and format once a year?

That's easily solved with a second hard drive loaded with apps, driver, and patches, and keeping all my stuff on my Mac wink

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#65 2007-07-15 11:24 pm

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Re: The 20 Worst Windows Features of All Time

Mr. T wrote:

Art743 wrote:

2. The Trash Can is not capable of restoring a file to it's original location. In some cases where the file may be related to a program or other operation, this can be serious.

Systems 6 - 9 had a feature called "put away" that did exactly this.  It also, IIRC, worked for files that were moved to the desktop, and it could also eject mounted volumes.  Sadly this was one of many features lost in the transition sad

or you can just use the undo feature of the finder.. if you accidentally drag something into the trash or command-delete it, just press command-z and it goes back to where it was.

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#66 2007-07-16 12:07 am

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Re: The 20 Worst Windows Features of All Time

It will also works a normal move as well.

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#67 2007-07-16 7:51 am

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Re: The 20 Worst Windows Features of All Time

adamjg wrote:

HackerJax wrote:

adamjg wrote:

"Balloons like that can be useful when giving information that is critical. But not stupid"

Moreover, I can't figure a way to TURN IT OFF! At least give the user that option.

Read through the thread, its been posted.

Great, thanks for the info!

Too bad they couldn't have made it easier by having a check box on/off switch somewhere rather than a registry edit job that could potentially "...cause serious problems that may require you to reinstall your operating system." I love reading alarming warnings like that.

Yes I would like this option available in the control panel somewhere. Sadly it seems that to get windows to do what you want you need to become a registry hacking guru.

I think the warning is for those goof balls that start deleting things without realizing that stuff might be in there for a reason. smile


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#68 2007-07-16 8:00 am

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ActionAttackJohn wrote:

What about the feature that causes it to become slower and slower as time goes on until you're forced to burn everything you own to DVD and format once a year?

Registry rot?

I've got a solution for that, although its not what I'd consider ideal (ideal would be the problem never happening).

Instead of re-installing the entire OS just rebuild your user profile. Cold boot the machine, log in as an administrator and go to c:\documents and settings

Now right click on your user name and click "rename", change the name to [myusername].bak or .bad or whatever.

Log out and then log in with your account, windows will create a new default profile. Go back into documents and settings and move over your documents, desktop contents, favorites etc to your new profile folder.

Unless there is serious damage to other registry hives this can be almost as good as a full re-install of windows. Its primarily the ntuser.dat (HKEY_CURRENT_USER) registry hive that gets trashed the most from installing/removing software and everything else. The sluggishness that windows is famous for over time seems to happen more often when you install and remove a lot of software.

Creating a new profile will give you a new ntuser.dat file and 99% of the time you'll have fast performance return and all of your applications will still be installed.

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#69 2007-07-16 10:57 am

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Re: The 20 Worst Windows Features of All Time

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Registry rot?

Yet another of the 3,847,590,261 reasons that the registry should have been discarded by now.

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#70 2007-07-16 11:07 am

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Re: The 20 Worst Windows Features of All Time

ScifiterX wrote:

HackerJax wrote:

Registry rot?

Yet another of the 3,847,590,261 reasons that the registry should have been discarded by now.

Yeah its a problem. Its a major single point of failure for everything from single applications to the entire OS.

I'd almost advocate going back to .ini files again as at least they were readable text and you could easily edit and/or overwrite the file(s) when crap hit the fan. Fixing corrupted or trashed registry hives (even when you know which hive and which file you need to work with) is not for the faint of heart.

I was hoping to see the registry replaced in Vista but alas its still there in all its infamous glory.


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#71 2007-07-16 12:32 pm

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Re: The 20 Worst Windows Features of All Time

Booksley wrote:

Art743 wrote:

3. But absolutely worst is the inability to CUT and paste a file, as well as copy and paste. It is really difficult, and very distracting to the workflow to have to remember to go back and delete the file after moving it.

FWIW, if you select the file, drag it to another folder, then hold the command key while letting go of the mouse button, it'll do a move file instead of a copy file.

I do find myself wishing for a Cut/Copy/Paste file functionality though, you need to have two windows open or have the destination directory in a directory below the current one.

And the Finder haning on network shares is brutal. Read-only FTP is pretty bad too. FTFF!

Does this work across different physical volumes or drives? like say from a local volume to a net share?


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#72 2007-07-16 1:07 pm

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Re: The 20 Worst Windows Features of All Time

cleekj wrote:

Booksley wrote:

Art743 wrote:

3. But absolutely worst is the inability to CUT and paste a file, as well as copy and paste. It is really difficult, and very distracting to the workflow to have to remember to go back and delete the file after moving it.

FWIW, if you select the file, drag it to another folder, then hold the command key while letting go of the mouse button, it'll do a move file instead of a copy file.

I do find myself wishing for a Cut/Copy/Paste file functionality though, you need to have two windows open or have the destination directory in a directory below the current one.

And the Finder haning on network shares is brutal. Read-only FTP is pretty bad too. FTFF!

Does this work across different physical volumes or drives? like say from a local volume to a net share?

Yeah, it'll work with any two open folder views in the Finder. You'll see the green (+) icon under the mouse disappear when you're moving instead of copying

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#73 2007-07-16 1:48 pm

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Re: The 20 Worst Windows Features of All Time

ActionAttackJohn wrote:

What about the feature that causes it to become slower and slower as time goes on until you're forced to burn everything you own to DVD and format once a year?

Once a year??? I'd be thrilled if Windows could hold its water for a year on my machine. In 18 months the longest lived install I've managed was about 9 weeks and that got pretty twitchy for the last 2 or 3 weeks.


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#74 2007-07-16 6:31 pm

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Re: The 20 Worst Windows Features of All Time

There is a CMM that adds Move to, Copy to, Make Alias in items to the right click context menu. I've been using it for years and it is very handy.
It's called QuickAccessCM.plugin and you can find it here:
http://free.abracode.com/cmworkshop/quick_access.html

I would also strongly recommend FinderPop for additional contextual goodness. Also free (Pintware) availible here:
http://www.finderpop.com/


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#75 2007-07-16 6:56 pm

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Re: The 20 Worst Windows Features of All Time

Aack! Brings back memories of Windows nastiness.


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