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#76 2007-07-16 6:57 pm
- maleko
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Re: The 20 Worst Windows Features of All Time
I use Path Finder. Such a better file manager then Finder and Explorer.
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#77 2007-07-16 7:24 pm
- FutureDreamz
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Re: The 20 Worst Windows Features of All Time
Pariah wrote:
There is a CMM that adds Move to, Copy to, Make Alias in items to the right click context menu. I've been using it for years and it is very handy.
It's called QuickAccessCM.plugin and you can find it here:
http://free.abracode.com/cmworkshop/quick_access.html
I would also strongly recommend FinderPop for additional contextual goodness. Also free (Pintware) availible here:
http://www.finderpop.com/
huh.
I've been using Folderglance, as it allows me to move items without opening another window. Finderpop's app switcher would be handy, tho.
http://home.online.no/~stoedle/YLS/YLS- … lance.html
Thanks for clicking.
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#78 2007-07-16 11:22 pm
- Mr. T
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Re: The 20 Worst Windows Features of All Time
Freezer mac wrote:
Mr. T wrote:
Art743 wrote:
2. The Trash Can is not capable of restoring a file to it's original location. In some cases where the file may be related to a program or other operation, this can be serious.
Systems 6 - 9 had a feature called "put away" that did exactly this. It also, IIRC, worked for files that were moved to the desktop, and it could also eject mounted volumes. Sadly this was one of many features lost in the transition
or you can just use the undo feature of the finder.. if you accidentally drag something into the trash or command-delete it, just press command-z and it goes back to where it was.
Yes, but only if that was the last action. Sometimes, I intentionally throw stuff out "tentatively."
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#79 2007-07-17 7:32 pm
- TB
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Re: The 20 Worst Windows Features of All Time
fuzzynormal wrote:
user wrote:
Especially since Mac OS X's equivalent feature, Force Quit, manages to work perfectly every time.
::snicker::
Not on my Mac.
Not on mine either.
And the OSX keyboard shortcuts are anti-intuitive(unlike Windows). Never use them.
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#81 2007-07-18 9:28 am
- user
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Re: The 20 Worst Windows Features of All Time
anti-intuitive? Like C for copy, P for paste, A for select all, N for new window?
Aw, he's no fun, he fell right over.
Unless you become as little children, there's no way you will believe this crap.
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#82 2007-07-18 1:01 pm
- Mr. T
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Re: The 20 Worst Windows Features of All Time
Well, I think cmd-N should make a new folder (in the Finder), but I do think Apple wins in the shortcut department overall. Also, V is paste, not P; that's for printing.
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#83 2007-07-18 2:05 pm
Re: The 20 Worst Windows Features of All Time
For the people who've complained about OS X's force quit, did you know that if you try to force quit a particularly stubborn program a second time, OS X will use a stronger method of forcing it to quit?
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#84 2007-07-18 2:24 pm
- thelegendofjohn
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Re: The 20 Worst Windows Features of All Time
Mr. T wrote:
Well, I think cmd-N should make a new folder (in the Finder), but I do think Apple wins in the shortcut department overall. Also, V is paste, not P; that's for printing.
command-n used to make a new folder, back in classic. 
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#85 2007-07-18 2:29 pm
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Command+N is used for New Window in EVERY APP. In OS 9 it was used for every app but the Finder.
You know what Apple did? They FIXED IT. NOW it opens a New Finder Window.
See? It actually makes sense with OS X and is following the standard. And people are COMPLAINING?
The Classic way was the WRONG way. Didn't anyone see that? Apple's philosophy was always to have standard shortcuts. In Classic there wasn't really a "New Window" feature in the Finder so it was okay to use Command+N to make a new folder because it made sense. NOW the OS DOES have a way to make a new window. So it NEEDS this Command+N shortcut to match the rest of the philosophy. Is it so hard to press Command+Shift+N to make a new folder? It's been 7 years. I think you guys should be used to it by now. I am. I was 7 years ago.
Am I missing something here? Apple gets bashed for fixing things just as they do making things bad. Sheesh.
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#86 2007-07-18 3:53 pm
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Re: The 20 Worst Windows Features of All Time
Mr. T wrote:
Well, I think cmd-N should make a new folder (in the Finder), but I do think Apple wins in the shortcut department overall. Also, V is paste, not P; that's for printing.
Yeah, I was thinking "print" and I STILL typed "paste".
Aw, he's no fun, he fell right over.
Unless you become as little children, there's no way you will believe this crap.
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#87 2007-07-18 4:03 pm
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Re: The 20 Worst Windows Features of All Time
Jasoco wrote:
Command+N is used for New Window in EVERY APP. In OS 9 it was used for every app but the Finder.
You know what Apple did? They FIXED IT. NOW it opens a New Finder Window.
See? It actually makes sense with OS X and is following the standard. And people are COMPLAINING?
The Classic way was the WRONG way. Didn't anyone see that? Apple's philosophy was always to have standard shortcuts. In Classic there wasn't really a "New Window" feature in the Finder so it was okay to use Command+N to make a new folder because it made sense. NOW the OS DOES have a way to make a new window. So it NEEDS this Command+N shortcut to match the rest of the philosophy. Is it so hard to press Command+Shift+N to make a new folder? It's been 7 years. I think you guys should be used to it by now. I am. I was 7 years ago.
Am I missing something here? Apple gets bashed for fixing things just as they do making things bad. Sheesh.
This gets my vote for overreaction of the week. Nowhere did I see anybody bashing Apple. I have a special place in my heart for classic, especially System 7 and 8. I remember the huge anticipation of 8, and how awesome it was when it finally came out. I was just remembering the good old days, not bashing Apple for changing something.
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#88 2007-07-18 4:52 pm
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That was just me venting because people have been complaining about the change since 2001. I never said anything until now. And now I have. You said you missed Command+N making a new folder and posted a sad face. That signifies you're sad that Apple changed it. But you shouldn't be sad. Because it was wrong before. Now it's right. It's how it should be now.
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#89 2007-07-18 5:28 pm
- Mr. T
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Re: The 20 Worst Windows Features of All Time
There's no bashing here, and I certainly understand the idea behind the change. The thing is I make new folders all the time, and I don't think I've ever used the "New Window" feature (at least not intentionally). Calling it right or wrong seems arbitrary 
Anyhoo, back to the point of the thread -bashing Windows- I think Windows' high-susceptibility to file fragmentation (and it's poor and slow built-in utility for fixing said problem) should've made the top 20. Also, UAC should've been numero uno.
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#90 2007-07-18 6:00 pm
- maleko
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Re: The 20 Worst Windows Features of All Time
Daniel wrote:
For the people who've complained about OS X's force quit, did you know that if you try to force quit a particularly stubborn program a second time, OS X will use a stronger method of forcing it to quit?
Yeah, just discovered that in the Leopard beta. The force quit almost never works the first time for me, but almost always works the second time.
I wonder why they just don't use the second method only?
After all it's a FORCE quit for smurfs sake.
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#91 2007-07-18 7:33 pm
Re: The 20 Worst Windows Features of All Time
maleko wrote:
Daniel wrote:
For the people who've complained about OS X's force quit, did you know that if you try to force quit a particularly stubborn program a second time, OS X will use a stronger method of forcing it to quit?
Yeah, just discovered that in the Leopard beta. The force quit almost never works the first time for me, but almost always works the second time.
I wonder why they just don't use the second method only?After all it's a FORCE quit for smurfs sake.
The first method basically tells the app, "Hey, clean up your stuff and get out of town here, the user wants you gone" which gives the program a chance to clean up after itself, which gives you a better chance of not having temp files spread everywhere, or having open files get corrupted.
The second method has the operating system effectively revoke the right to be running from the app, shutting it down immediately, no questions asked.
Well-designed apps are usually able to catch the first type of signal and shut themselves down without the OS having to force the issue.
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#92 2007-07-18 7:59 pm
- TB
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Re: The 20 Worst Windows Features of All Time
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anti-intuitive? Like C for copy, P for paste, A for select all, N for new window?
Fair enough. I overstated. Maybe I should've said keyboard navigation. But open iTunes in OSX and try to delete a song using the keyboard and the delete key-and navigate through the options with just the keys. Now do the same with Windows. Or try to choose between shut down options in OSX using the keyboard. This is the kind of thing I find anti-intuitive-or counter-intuitive if you prefer. And I thought Apple was all about the opposite.
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#93 2007-07-18 8:35 pm
- Mr. T
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Re: The 20 Worst Windows Features of All Time
You're stuck with the delete thing, but you can enable tabbing through buttons and other controls in the keyboard prefpane. I can only speculate as to why it's disabled by default, but I think Apple figures it makes it easier for people who only use kb navigation for text fields.
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#94 2007-07-18 9:44 pm
- Pariah
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Re: The 20 Worst Windows Features of All Time
There is nothing "intuitive" about keyboard shortcuts. The mouse is for the see it and do it approach, the KB way is the RTFM approach.
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#95 2007-07-18 9:59 pm
- Mr. T
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Re: The 20 Worst Windows Features of All Time
indeed.
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#96 2007-07-19 8:45 pm
- TB
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Re: The 20 Worst Windows Features of All Time
Pariah wrote:
There is nothing "intuitive" about keyboard shortcuts. The mouse is for the see it and do it approach, the KB way is the RTFM approach.
Maybe not for you. It's Intuitive(direct, accessible and easy) for me and maybe for others-at least for some programs.
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#97 2007-07-20 1:37 am
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As long as they're standard across systems and apps I'm happy. Command C, V, X are the same as you'd get on Windows. (Though they also have Shift+Insert, Shift+Delete, both of which I missed for a few hours when I first converted... before I got over it.)
I just want to sit down at an app, any app, and be able to use key combos the same way I would other apps.
Like Command+F for Fullscreen in QuickTime, VLC, etc. Or Command+[ for Back in Finder or Safari and all the other browsers.
Keyboard shortcuts can be a lot faster than menu commands once you get the hang of them.
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