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#1 2007-08-06 11:52 pm
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Apparently the mortgage situation isn't so great
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#2 2007-08-07 12:22 am
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Re: Apparently the mortgage situation isn't so great
bwahahahaha. That's classic.
I don't quite know how I feel about federal intervention. Those guys were not being conservative and they were chasing big double digit returns. That's ridiculously risky, and if you get burned you get burned hard.
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#3 2007-08-07 12:43 am
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#4 2007-08-07 12:53 am
Re: Apparently the mortgage situation isn't so great
I thought this was common knowledge?
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#5 2007-08-07 12:53 am
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Re: Apparently the mortgage situation isn't so great
It'll be bad for some homeowners (who should have known better) and some banks / funds (who should have known better).
But it won't affect the broad financial markets that much.
They could cut rates by 2% and not fix the problem at all. And cause other problems elsewhere.
Inflation is the greater danger, and some inflationary pressures are still out there.
Oh, financial "advice" from TV is probably the most inaccurate kind of information the TV spits out.
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#6 2007-08-07 12:54 am
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Re: Apparently the mortgage situation isn't so great
Aqua OS X wrote:
bwahahahaha. That's classic.
I don't quite know how I feel about federal intervention. Those guys were not being conservative and they were chasing big double digit returns. That's ridiculously risky, and if you get burned you get burned hard.
No. If you get burned you bitch on TV and the government bails you out.
In Capitalist Amerika, Market Decides You!
I say let them rot. Their kids can go to public school and they can drive a Ford.
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#7 2007-08-07 1:03 am
Re: Apparently the mortgage situation isn't so great
JakeTheTall wrote:
It'll be bad for some homeowners (who should have known better).
How much do you think home buyers who got ARM mortgages/ balloon payment mortgages are to blame for their own predicament, and how much do you think they are victims of crooked mortgage salesmen?
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#8 2007-08-07 1:06 am
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Re: Apparently the mortgage situation isn't so great
dvpierce wrote:
Aqua OS X wrote:
bwahahahaha. That's classic.
I don't quite know how I feel about federal intervention. Those guys were not being conservative and they were chasing big double digit returns. That's ridiculously risky, and if you get burned you get burned hard.No. If you get burned you bitch on TV and the government bails you out.
In Capitalist Amerika, Market Decides You!
I say let them rot. Their kids can go to public school and they can drive a Ford.
Damn dude! A Ford? You're heartless.
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#9 2007-08-07 1:34 am
Re: Apparently the mortgage situation isn't so great
A lot of people bought homes who shouldn't have.
In a lot of ways - I think the country is failing its people by not teaching better financial stewardship in high school.
At this point - too many parents (including my own) were not good at it and set a bad example for their kids to follow. Consumerism is being pushed by mass advertising - you have to have an iPod, you have to have the latest sneakers, you have to have a new car, you have to have a good stereo system in that new car, etc.
The result is that people carry way too much debt in todays society in relation to what they make, resulting in increased occurrences of financial meltdown.
Debt on a home is one thing - because it is balanced by equity. But when you carry too much consumer debt, you can not get the good interest rates or make the extra house payments that greatly reduce the long term cost of your house, and often you end up in trouble.
I blame people for buying when they shouldn't.
I blame lenders for loaning when they shouldn't.
But I also think this country needs serious education in this area.
I learned the hard way - fortunately I wasn't married at the time, or else I likely would have had to file for bakruptsy and put my family through a world of smurf. I was able (with help) to dig myself out, but I'm damn lucky.
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#10 2007-08-07 1:41 am
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Re: Apparently the mortgage situation isn't so great
resedit wrote:
In a lot of ways - I think the country is failing its people by not teaching better financial stewardship in high school.
Absolutely. The level of ignorance in this country when it comes to money, saving, credit, etc. is horrendous.
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#13 2007-08-07 2:22 am
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Re: Apparently the mortgage situation isn't so great
dvpierce wrote:
Aqua OS X wrote:
bwahahahaha. That's classic.
I don't quite know how I feel about federal intervention. Those guys were not being conservative and they were chasing big double digit returns. That's ridiculously risky, and if you get burned you get burned hard.No. If you get burned you bitch on TV and the government bails you out.
In Capitalist Amerika, Market Decides You!
I say let them rot. Their kids can go to public school and they can drive a Ford.
True dat
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#14 2007-08-07 3:46 am
Re: Apparently the mortgage situation isn't so great
resedit wrote:
A lot of people bought homes who shouldn't have.
In a lot of ways - I think the country is failing its people by not teaching better financial stewardship in high school.
At this point - too many parents (including my own) were not good at it and set a bad example for their kids to follow. Consumerism is being pushed by mass advertising - you have to have an iPod, you have to have the latest sneakers, you have to have a new car, you have to have a good stereo system in that new car, etc.
The result is that people carry way too much debt in todays society in relation to what they make, resulting in increased occurrences of financial meltdown.
Debt on a home is one thing - because it is balanced by equity. But when you carry too much consumer debt, you can not get the good interest rates or make the extra house payments that greatly reduce the long term cost of your house, and often you end up in trouble.
I blame people for buying when they shouldn't.
I blame lenders for loaning when they shouldn't.
...
I blame medical bills for being responsible for more than half(an estimated 54.5 percent) of all bankruptcies.
When are people going to learn to die within their means?
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#15 2007-08-07 4:26 am
Re: Apparently the mortgage situation isn't so great
How many of those medical bills would have resulted in bankruptsy if the person had proper training in financial responsibility, including procurement of insurance?
If your job does not provide medical insurance, it is hard to buy adequate coverage when you have bills coming out of your ass.
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#16 2007-08-07 4:47 am
Re: Apparently the mortgage situation isn't so great
Right. Fifty million Americans have no health insurance because they're all financially irresponsible.
Damn irresponsible poor people.
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#17 2007-08-07 6:07 am
Re: Apparently the mortgage situation isn't so great
matt wrote:
Right. Fifty million Americans have no health insurance because they're all financially irresponsible.
Damn irresponsible poor people.
Um, I didn't say that.
I didn't even say anything close to that.
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#18 2007-08-07 7:15 am
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Re: Apparently the mortgage situation isn't so great
These iffy mortgages should never have been legal. They aren't in Canada. Or anywhere else that I'm aware of. Only in Amurica.
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#19 2007-08-07 7:20 am
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Re: Apparently the mortgage situation isn't so great
ShnickyShnack wrote:
These iffy mortgages should never have been legal. They aren't in Canada. Or anywhere else that I'm aware of. Only in Amurica.
I don't know about that.
You're all for allowing people the freedom to do just about everything else, gambling should be included.
Do your part to combat global warming.
Eat a cow.
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#20 2007-08-07 7:22 am
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Re: Apparently the mortgage situation isn't so great
As a kid, I was always somewhat ticked off that my parents didn't buy me as many toys as some of my friends have, didn't buy me a car, etc... but its awfully nice not having to go into debt to pay for college[undergrad] 
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#21 2007-08-07 7:24 am
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Re: Apparently the mortgage situation isn't so great
I think the mortgage and the debt issue in general will course its way through the economy. Housing is only one aspect of the matter. This will be about lenders fighting over who gets x% back on the dollar, and how the homeowner, banks and government will come up with the funds to cover it.
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#22 2007-08-07 7:38 am
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Re: Apparently the mortgage situation isn't so great
Farmerkev wrote:
ShnickyShnack wrote:
These iffy mortgages should never have been legal. They aren't in Canada. Or anywhere else that I'm aware of. Only in Amurica.
I don't know about that.
You're all for allowing people the freedom to do just about everything else, gambling should be included.
I'm okay with people exercising their rights as long as it doesn't infringe on my rights. In this case this kind of thing risks property values, not to mention damaging the nation's economy.
Maybe if you're okay with paying the bills for other people's gambling, you should consider being okay with paying for their health care.
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#23 2007-08-07 7:43 am
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Re: Apparently the mortgage situation isn't so great
resedit wrote:
Nah - exponential growth is algebra.
All algebra is a subset of calculus.
The University of Guelph's physics department has an example of an exponential equation in both algebra and calculus featuring wee beasties.
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#24 2007-08-07 7:46 am
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Re: Apparently the mortgage situation isn't so great
Nefarious wrote:
resedit wrote:
Nah - exponential growth is algebra.
All algebra is a subset of calculus.
The University of Guelph's physics department has an example of an exponential equation in both algebra and calculus featuring wee beasties.
All calculus is a subset of math. 
If you can express something with algebra - which most people learn by tenth grade - instead of calc - which some people never learn at all - all the better.
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#25 2007-08-07 7:47 am
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Re: Apparently the mortgage situation isn't so great
Nefarious wrote:
resedit wrote:
Nah - exponential growth is algebra.
All algebra is a subset of calculus.
Algebra predates calculus (as we know it) by roughly 500 years. If anything, calculus is a subset of algebra.
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