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Well, when my WHOLE internship program (200 people?) had our dinner together at the Heidelberg Cultural Brewery, we even passed around a hat for a collective tip for all the servers, even though it was not customary, just as thanks for putting up with all of us American and Canadian smurfs.

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bratboy wrote:

Please remember:  I live in the United States.  I work in the United States.  In the United States, it is customary to tip your server when you dine out.  For some reason, these threads always bring out sanctimonious non-americans who live in countries where tipping is not customary, complaining that servers don't deserve to be tipped anything.  That's wonderful if tipping isn't obligatory where you live.  It is here.

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Sucks to be you working where you do, eh? Surely you of all the people would appreciate the irony of relying on an obligatory gratuity.

I hate it when you have several people who help during the course of your dining. 

Example:  one person who places the chips/breadsticks/etc on your table and keeps them refilled, one person (the waitperson) who takes the drink order and your food order, another person who brings the actual entrees out of the kitchen to your table and finally the same waitperson will come by to collect the check.

Who the hell gets what percentage of the tip?  They all contributed.  But of course only the "main" waitperson will claim the tip.

This happens at Chili's quite often with the exception of the chips/breadsticks thing.

Daniel wrote:

If I ask for an alcoholic beverage and am asked for ID, I don't tip.  I don't reward people for upholding stupid laws.

Yeah! Damn those people for trying to keep their jobs!

I'll never penalize somebody for doing their job, even if I may disagree with what they are doing. (please, for the love of god, do not godwin that statement, dan. )

I enjoy tipping waiters.

I like the sound they make when they hit the floor.

Chickenhawk wrote:

Daniel wrote:

If I ask for an alcoholic beverage and am asked for ID, I don't tip.  I don't reward people for upholding stupid laws.

Yeah! Damn those people for trying to keep their jobs!

Yes, I will indeed damn them.  Not for trying to keep their jobs, but because they are participating in a perpetuation of unconstitutional federal power.

benightedbastard wrote:

bratboy wrote:

Please remember:  I live in the United States.  I work in the United States.  In the United States, it is customary to tip your server when you dine out.  For some reason, these threads always bring out sanctimonious non-americans who live in countries where tipping is not customary, complaining that servers don't deserve to be tipped anything.  That's wonderful if tipping isn't obligatory where you live.  It is here.

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Sucks to be you working where you do, eh? Surely you of all the people would appreciate the irony of relying on an obligatory gratuity.

I wish you'd guys understand, though, that our people aren't raking it in.

Out there I'm sure there's a particular minimum wage that's adhered to; but at Red Lobster for example, waitresses get like $1.80 an hour and told that any tip money they get gets turned in and takes care of the rest when they divide it all up.

It's not acceptable so I don't eat at establishments that handle it like that, but I think someone that has to deal with the bullsmurf I see and is able to keep a smile on their face and treat each customer separately and like new should hit $10 an hour. I see 15% as a guideline for a group, because when it's just me or I'm out with a lady, I always tip more (which is a BOON if they see what you leave on the table post-tab if they've ever had to do waitressin' themselves).

That's all well and good, but I don't get "tip" jars at Baskin-Robbins or Starbucks. It's like... I'm paying a premium for this product, is that not enough?

Daniel wrote:

Chickenhawk wrote:

Daniel wrote:

If I ask for an alcoholic beverage and am asked for ID, I don't tip.  I don't reward people for upholding stupid laws.

Yeah! Damn those people for trying to keep their jobs!

Yes, I will indeed damn them.  Not for trying to keep their jobs, but because they are participating in a perpetuation of unconstitutional federal power.

Don't take it out on the waiter though. Come on, they're only trying to make ends meet. If they don't know you, how do they not know that you are an undercover cop trying to bust them?

Daniel wrote:

See above, though.  It's really not about the drink, it's about the principle behind not giving me one.

But Dan, they're just the little people, they don't make policies, they just get fired when they're not followed. Wouldn't making a bigger better statement be not giving the business any business at all? Even if they do eventually learn that you don't tip if you're carded then they memorize and focus on you and cater to your desire rather than understand why's for the stand you make, and so far as it goes they could care less.

You'll miss the days when you got carded, babyface.

Chickenhawk wrote:

Daniel wrote:

Chickenhawk wrote:

Yeah! Damn those people for trying to keep their jobs!

Yes, I will indeed damn them.  Not for trying to keep their jobs, but because they are participating in a perpetuation of unconstitutional federal power.

Don't take it out on the waiter though. Come on, they're only trying to make ends meet. If they don't know you, how do they not know that you are an undercover cop trying to bust them?

I am completely justified in "taking it out" on anyone and everyone who participates in the sham.

Daniel wrote:

I am completely justified in "taking it out" on anyone and everyone who participates in the sham.

....

However the feds have more guns than I do.

Oh, I get it. You're a bully.

I think Daniel is like my roomie, he just likes to argue to argue and will take up a position contrary to how he really feels just to have a little verbal repartee.