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Daniel wrote:

Yes, I will indeed damn them.  Not for trying to keep their jobs, but because they are participating in a perpetuation of unconstitutional federal power.

Please don't pretend that you understand constitutional law.  You don't.

Pithecanthropus wrote:

I think Daniel is like my roomie, he just likes to argue to argue and will take up a position contrary to how he really feels just to have a little verbal repartee.

I think we've all got a little of that in us.




BTW, never wear a seatbelt. Government conspiracy.

SonicSamurai wrote:

Phydeaux wrote:

Pithecanthropus wrote:

I think Daniel is like my roomie, he just likes to argue to argue and will take up a position contrary to how he really feels just to have a little verbal repartee.

I think we've all got a little of that in us.




BTW, never wear a seatbelt. Government conspiracy.

That and the flouride.

Hovind is an hero!

bratboy wrote:

Daniel wrote:

Yes, I will indeed damn them.  Not for trying to keep their jobs, but because they are participating in a perpetuation of unconstitutional federal power.

Please don't pretend that you understand constitutional law.  You don't.

Please cite the place in the constitution wherein the power to blackmail state governments to influence their laws is granted to the federal government.

Oh, right, you can't.  Because it's not there.  It does not take law school to know that powers not expressly granted by the constitution to the federal government are reserved for the states.

The aforementioned power of blackmail was never granted to the federal government.  It went and did it anyway.  Therefore its actions are unconstitutional.  Plain and simple.

bratboy wrote:

Daniel wrote:

If I ask for an alcoholic beverage and am asked for ID, I don't tip.  I don't reward people for upholding stupid laws.

Well I'm sorry, but that makes you a pretty terrible (and ignorant) person.

Servers face criminal penalties for serving underage minors (including jail time).

This is not to mention that they could be sued in a civil suit for serving alcohol to a minor if that minor later injures or kills someone after having drank ANYTHING at all.

Shame on you.

Shame on you for buying into the propaganda and refusing to do anything about it.

bratboy wrote:

Well I'm sorry, but that makes you a pretty terrible (and ignorant) person.

He also should get gay demerits, but he's had so many of them deducted I'm not sure there are any left.

That said, oh Bratted One, you really *MUST* find a service position in a private club.  My time in one was one of the few places where you did not worry about these tipping issues, as they're automatically billed 15% gratuity and then they generally will leave an additional 5% cash on the table.  And they drink a lot to so your beverage/bar bill is superb, and we all like that.

Holy strawman batman!

Chickenhawk wrote:

bratboy wrote:

It's against the law for ME to sell minors alcohol.  Why would I risk my own livelihood just so some punk kid can get drunk?

It is damn near insane to assume that anybody should put their own livelihood on the line to benefit a complete stranger.

If that's not an absolute proof that we have become a police state with a populace terrified of those with power, I don't know what is.

Daniel wrote:

Please cite the place in the constitution wherein the power to blackmail state governments to influence their laws is granted to the federal government.

It's the taxing and spending clause.  Congress can spend to promote the general welfare, and it is not unconstitutional to condition the grant of a portion of those funds upon compliance by the state.

What does it matter, anyway?  The laws affecting my job are made the the Texas Alcohol Beverage Commission--not the feds.

Daniel wrote:

If that's not an absolute proof that we have become a police state with a populace terrified of those with power, I don't know what is.

"Terrified?" 



I drank when I was a kid.  I got a minor in possession as a kid.  I used fake IDs as a kid.  You got busted, too----GET OVER IT.

I have absolutely no reason to risk anything whatsoever (especially loss of my job and criminal penalties) so that a kid can drink a beer.

bratboy wrote:

Daniel wrote:

Please cite the place in the constitution wherein the power to blackmail state governments to influence their laws is granted to the federal government.

It's the taxing and spending clause.  Congress can spend to promote the general welfare, and it is not unconstitutional to condition the grant of a portion of those funds upon compliance by the state.

What does it matter, anyway?  The laws affecting my job are made the the Texas Alcohol Beverage Commission--not the feds.

Those laws only exist because the feds blackmailed all the states into compliance.

Unfortunately the Supreme Court agrees with you in respect to the constitutionality, but, to pull a Steyr: "sounds reasonable but I don't believe it."

I don't think it's constitutional.  You're really not going to change my mind about that.

bedstuy wrote:

That said, oh Bratted One, you really *MUST* find a service position in a private club.  My time in one was one of the few places where you did not worry about these tipping issues, as they're automatically billed 15% gratuity and then they generally will leave an additional 5% cash on the table.  And they drink a lot to so your beverage/bar bill is superb, and we all like that.

Yes, I hear you.  However, this should be super-temporary.  I really thought that I'd never have to wait another table in life, but I'm over the initial shock of jumping back into it for a minute.

Would you risk your job to help out a complete stranger on an issue that is not that morally clear?