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#201 2007-08-12 9:23 pm

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Re: let's do this again: tipping

ShnickyShnack wrote:

Farmerkev wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:

Come on, this smurf thread doesn't belong here. Move it somewhere else or delete it. Don't be such bitches.

Don't post in it or read the smurfing thing.

No, no, I said don't be such bitches.

Fine, revise it to-
There are more things in heaven and earth, Shnicky, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.


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#202 2007-08-12 9:27 pm

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Re: let's do this again: tipping

Farmerkev wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:

Farmerkev wrote:


Don't post in it or read the smurfing thing.

No, no, I said don't be such bitches.

Fine, revise it to-
There are more things in heaven and earth, Shnicky, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

And to quote the eminent philosopher Bedstuy:

whatever


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#203 2007-08-12 10:18 pm

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Re: let's do this again: tipping

30 seconds of sitting around with no food and an empty beer bottle is enough to make me not tip the waiter/waitress. Sorry, but that's the way it goes. Keep my beer coming and you'll get a tip. If I gotta wait, too bad and I don't really care if I can drink beer faster than almost any human alive. This whole town knows that to begin with, so accomodate me already.


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#204 2007-08-12 10:45 pm

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Re: let's do this again: tipping

Duke = smurf


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#205 2007-08-12 10:48 pm

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Re: let's do this again: tipping

ShnickyShnack wrote:

Come on, this smurf thread doesn't belong here. Move it somewhere else or delete it. Don't be such bitches.

My thread, it involves abortion (big_smile), I'm a mod, I can do what I want.

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#206 2007-08-12 11:04 pm

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Re: let's do this again: tipping

The standard of modding around here has taken a real hit of late.


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#207 2007-08-12 11:58 pm

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Re: let's do this again: tipping

ShnickyShnack wrote:

The standard of modding around here has taken a real hit of late.

Oh please.

The thread was closed in another forum because of the turn the discussion had taken, and though I didn't necessarily agree with that, I opted to move it here so that the discussion could continue down that path if anyone wanted it to.

Are you seriously making a fuss about this?


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#208 2007-08-13 12:29 am

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Re: let's do this again: tipping

bratboy wrote:

Are you seriously making a fuss about this?

Should of said it like that to Justine big_smile

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#209 2007-08-13 7:25 am

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Re: let's do this again: tipping

TonyPrevite wrote:

bratboy wrote:

Are you seriously making a fuss about this?

Should of said it like that to Justine big_smile

Bingo.


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#210 2007-08-13 9:41 am

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Re: let's do this again: tipping

TonyPrevite wrote:

Should of said it like that to Justine big_smile

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#211 2007-08-13 1:52 pm

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Re: let's do this again: tipping

20% is the new 15%

Whom, how much and when to tip Staff

Waiter/waitress
15% to 20% of pre-tax bill

Bartender
$1 to $2 per round or 15% to 20% of tab

Wine steward
15% of bottle's cost (less as price rises), clearly earmarked on bill

Room service
15% to 20% of pre-tax bill (if not already included)

Valet parking
$2 to $3 when car is returned

Taxi driver
15% plus $1 to $2 per bag

Hotel doorman
$1 to $2 to hail cab; $1 to $2 per bag for help with luggage

Hotel bellhop
$1 to $2 per bag

Hotel maid
$2 per night, paid daily, clearly marked 'Housekeeping'

Skycap
$1 to $2 per bag, $2 minimum, in addition to any fee

Hairdresser
15% to 20%

Manicurist
15% to 20%

Spa services
15% to 20%

Food delivery
10% to 15% with $2 minimum

Golf caddy
$20 or 50% of the caddy fee, whichever is greater

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#212 2007-08-13 1:54 pm

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Re: let's do this again: tipping

TonyPrevite wrote:

bratboy wrote:

Are you seriously making a fuss about this?

Should of said it like that to Justine big_smile

....and you know that I did, of course.

smile


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#213 2007-08-13 2:36 pm

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Re: let's do this again: tipping

Kinda sorta, but not quite in those exact words wink

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#214 2007-08-13 4:04 pm

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Re: let's do this again: tipping

Tipping is a hidden tax, imposed by places that can't be bothered to pay their staff adequately. Seriously, when tips are a substantial portion of a persons wages, it's gotten out of hand. A sandwich shop can advertise a $5 sandwich, and then let you pay their staff the difference yourself from what it really should have cost.

From what I understand, Europe requires a living wage to be paid, of which tips are a *bonus* - which is, IMHO, a better system.

Regardless of the system, I will say, how much I tip is directly proportional to the quality of service. I've been known to cut that tip to 10% or less if the service stinks. I've also tipped at 20% or better when the service was excellent. I do not think that tips should be automatic - otherwise the establishment should just charge more, and pay their staff more. That said, I don't stiff on tips - unless the service was truly appallingly bad.

Call me a cheap bastard, but I still typically leave a 15% tip.

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#215 2007-08-13 4:08 pm

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Re: let's do this again: tipping

I usually just double the tax (comes out to 17-18%) and round up.


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#216 2007-08-13 4:14 pm

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Re: let's do this again: tipping

radarman wrote:

Tipping is a hidden tax, imposed by places that can't be bothered to pay their staff adequately.

It isn't hidden.  I also don't believe that it has anything to do with being "bothered" to adequately pay the staff.  Tip-based jobs almost invariably mean that customers will receive better service than comparable non-tip paying positions. 

What's the difference, really?  Do you think you'd get the same quality service, no matter where you went, if restaurant owners were required to pay a minimum wage?  Of course not--waiting tables simply isn't worth it for that little pay. 

And I could be wrong, but I believe at least some other countries often charge a service fee, based upon the amount of the check.  That wouldn't escape the tax-like quality of the tip, it would simply make it mandatory.


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#217 2007-08-13 4:19 pm

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Re: let's do this again: tipping

ShnickyShnack wrote:

The standard of modding around here has taken a real hit of late.

Maybe if you tipped them better...


Jesus said to the servants, "Fill the jars with water"; so they filled them to the brim.  Then he told them, "Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet."  They did so, and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew.

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#218 2007-08-13 4:22 pm

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Re: let's do this again: tipping

I tip all the services on wellfleation's list except the hotel cleaning service.  I never have.  I don't know of anyone that does. 

Am I a greedy bastard, or ?


Jesus said to the servants, "Fill the jars with water"; so they filled them to the brim.  Then he told them, "Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet."  They did so, and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew.

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#219 2007-08-13 4:27 pm

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Re: let's do this again: tipping

JakeTheTall wrote:

I tip all the services on wellfleation's list except the hotel cleaning service.  I never have.  I don't know of anyone that does. 

Am I a greedy bastard, or ?

The same, it's just never something I think about doing, since I'm hellbent on trying to get out the door before I'm charged for another night.

I do tip skycaps $10 every two bags, though. Maybe I'm just paranoid that if I don't tip enough that it won't get there?


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#220 2007-08-13 4:36 pm

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Re: let's do this again: tipping

The last time I flew I had a skycap put in way more effort that I would ever expect a skycap to in order to get us on an earlier flight because our scheduled flight was delayed a few hours and there were massive lines on the inside of the airport.

I don't remember what I gave him, but it was a lot.


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#221 2007-08-13 4:44 pm

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Re: let's do this again: tipping

Oh, and FWIW, you never have to worry about tipping your cellular representative, but if you want to do something nice for us if we've done well, at least take the freakin' data package or other vertical service for a month and then drop it. Our mere existence depends more on attach rate of those services more than it does volume of sales, so if you've ever seen respectful, nice and knowledgeable associates shuffle out of your local store every 60 days, now you know why.

Obviously I'm rarely offered a tip because of the way the industry is, unless I'm doing some sort of unsanctioned repair work. Even then I'm sort of honor-bound to refuse it. One guy gave me and an employee Tennessee Titans tickets, though, which I just let the employee have so that she could take her husband.

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#222 2007-08-13 5:01 pm

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Re: let's do this again: tipping

robco wrote:

I usually just double the tax (comes out to 17-18%) and round up.

Ditto.

I'm surprised at how many people really base it on the level of service they get. I just double the tip amount, and maybe round it up if I'm paying cash.

The basic 15-20% tip is just part of the cost of going out to eat. It's ridiculous to consider it some sort of "extra" that the waiter has to work hard for.

It's nice to tip more on the occasions when the service is really good, or you're feeling extra generous, but that's just cheap to tip less just because the service was so-so.

I don't think I've ever had service that was so bad that I felt that it warranted no tip.

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#223 2007-08-13 5:04 pm

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Re: let's do this again: tipping

after-life wrote:

robco wrote:

I usually just double the tax (comes out to 17-18%) and round up.

Ditto.

I'm surprised at how many people really base it on the level of service they get. I just double the tip amount, and maybe round it up if I'm paying cash.

The basic 15-20% tip is just part of the cost of going out to eat. It's ridiculous to consider it some sort of "extra" that the waiter has to work hard for.

It's nice to tip more on the occasions when the service is really good, or you're feeling extra generous, but that's just cheap to tip less just because the service was so-so.

I don't think I've ever had service that was so bad that I felt that it warranted no tip.

The entire concept behind making wait staff work for tips is all about ensuring they work their asses off for the customer.


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#224 2007-08-13 5:04 pm

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Re: let's do this again: tipping

This whole tip cheapness thing reminds me of the whole Republican "It's your money, the government should give it back to you!" line.

Eh, not really. Taxes are a basic fact of life that you ought to get used to if you don't want to be bitter every time you look a paycheck.

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#225 2007-08-13 5:07 pm

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just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains,
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