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Yeah that was kinda turned around. Try it this way.

That said I'm pretty sure Apple tweaks an OS version's last revision API toolkit enough so it doesn't just go "WTF, shut it down" when it hits some of the more radical elements of new coding from the next OS version's development tools.

If CA was used in iWork '08, would it have a stripped-down version of the API included for Tiger?

ScifiterX wrote:

Yeah that was kinda turned around. Try it this way.

That said I'm pretty sure Apple tweaks an OS version's last revision API toolkit enough so it doesn't just go "WTF, shut it down" when it hits some of the more radical elements of new coding from the next OS version's development tools.

I'm not sure about that. I guess it depends on what you mean by tweaks. I mean, if I develop something that is meant for 10.5 only and I use 10.5 API elements then that application won't work in 10.4. It doesn't matter which version of 10.4 I'm using. The same goes if I develop something for Java 5.0 and I use 5.0 specific API element. That application won't run in a Java 1.4 environment. If the application is making API calls then it is making API calls and that API has to be present in order for the application to work. Now, it is possible for them to build an application that is backwards compatible and that when it executes a certain part of its code it does an OS version check and if it is running under 10.5 then it will execute one path and if it is running an earlier version it will execute another path. However, the discussion in this regard has been about the size of the app with people mentioning that this version was much smaller than the previous version.

It is interesting that it requires 10.4.10 though.

Frank

wellfleation wrote:

maleko wrote:

FutureDreamz wrote:

Updated iWork/iLife prediction.
Could iWork '08 be a trial to see how popular the SW is among most consumers, Later to be merged with the OS (or just bundled), and is fully optimized for Leo?

I'm sure that it's already set to take advantage of most new technologies in leopard, such as core animation.  I do not see apple including it leopard though.

You can already set a reflection to occur at the bottom of images in your presentation, which looks cool. Kinda like in Leopards dock..

I believe that is a Core Image feature which is part of Tiger, not Leopard.

Frank

Jim... he's dead.

Mercury52 wrote:

As a side note, does anyone know why iWork 08 requires 10.4.10 but iLife 08 requires only 10.4.9?  Seems weird to me.

Because iWork uses code that is part of 10.4.10. That is the only logical explanation and it doesn't seem weird at all since they are two completely different applications.

Frank

ScifiterX wrote:

maleko wrote:

ScifiterX wrote:

I suspect it probably written using Core Animation and other much cleaner programming tools that exist in Leopard, where the previous version was written using clunkier stuff like Core Image & Video and Tiger's programming tools.

Right, but for people who run 10.4 does that not mean there will be none of the benifits of these new tools.

Well if you have 10.4.9 or lower definitely. I supposedly won't even install on those OS versions. If you have 10.4.10, it's possible some benefits may be missing. How many kind of depends on how much Leopard toolbox compatibility was shoehorned in with everything else via that particular update.

From this article in PC Mag:

"...iWork '06 required 1.5GB of disk space for installation, while iWork '08 requires just 500MB, despite the addition of Numbers. iLife has seen similar reductions, the '06 version commanded more than 6GB of disk space, while '08 needs about half of that.

By abandoning support for older versions of Mac OS X, Apple has been able to take better advantage of frameworks built into to Mac OS X, eliminating huge portions of legacy code. The move mirrors how applications interfaced with the NeXTStep operating system, off of which Mac OS X was built."

Nervous about my $3k Powerbook G4, it's starting to get a serious case of intel-envy. If only someone else would pay for an upgrade.

redchef wrote:

From this article in PC Mag:

"...iWork '06 required 1.5GB of disk space for installation, while iWork '08 requires just 500MB, despite the addition of Numbers. iLife has seen similar reductions, the '06 version commanded more than 6GB of disk space, while '08 needs about half of that.

By abandoning support for older versions of Mac OS X, Apple has been able to take better advantage of frameworks built into to Mac OS X, eliminating huge portions of legacy code. The move mirrors how applications interfaced with the NeXTStep operating system, off of which Mac OS X was built."

I look at this as good news because it is a way to force people to upgrade to the latest OS which means developers will have more incentive to write cool apps that take advantage of the things offered in 10.4 and 10.5. Your G4 isn't out of the picture yet. You just need to make sure your OS is up to date. Now, you are out of the running for iMovie '08 but after seeing how it operates I am sooooo glad that Apple went this route. I know that some people don't like it but man does it open fast and the interface is very responsive. That is exactly how I want my almost $3000 MacBook Pro to operate. I think that when they build apps that are backwards compatible with so many versions of the OS and processors that it slows down the app for everyone. I am absolutely in love with the new iPhoto and once I get more video imported into the new iMovie I think I'm going to love it to. For the first time ever I'm actually excited about creating a movie.

Frank