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#26 2007-08-10 9:41 am

davic3
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Re: Drinking age

Daniel wrote:

davic3 wrote:

I agree, if the law is that offensive and unconstitutional then instead of complaining about it here get out and do something. Organize get it on the ballot have these unjust laws repealed. If you need cash talk to Budwiser, Jack Daniel's, Miller or any of the dozens of other alcohol companies to sponsor you. Otherwise you simply sound like an whinny underage kid who is simply pissed that he can't drink and is looking for any way to justify that anger

It's a little arrogant for you to make assumptions about what I have and have not done outside this forum, no?

I made no assumptions at all. You, more than once in the tipping thread talked about how you feel the law is unconstitutional. So all I am saying if you truly feel this way there are ways to get the law changed. of course this requires money so I suggest you go to the companies that would benefit most from a law change. Just like MADD went and got organized, lobbied, voted in people who were sympathetic to their cause and got the law changed. Well you can do the same. So my question is this, If the law is so unjust will you work on getting it changed, or in 89 days are you not going to care anymore. If it's the first one I can respect your stance. If it's the second then you seem to be a whinny underage kid who is pissed off because you want to drink and can't. Well legally that is.


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#27 2007-08-10 9:48 am

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Re: Drinking age

I don't remember the law ever being different than you have to be 21 to drink.

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#28 2007-08-10 10:03 am

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Re: Drinking age

justine wrote:

I don't remember the law ever being different than you have to be 21 to drink.

it use to be set state by stae. I remember we could not drink here but just drove 20 minutes across the state line and could party like crazy. Then the federal gov't said if you want federal money the age must be 21


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#29 2007-08-10 10:04 am

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Re: Drinking age

I wasn't carded for beer until I was 26, after the MADD law passed.


Aw, he's no fun, he fell right over.

Unless you become as little children, there's no way you will believe this crap.

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#30 2007-08-10 10:20 am

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Re: Drinking age

Aqua OS X wrote:

And remind me to buy bratboy a beer at macworld.

A twenty dollar convention beer, or are we talking extra curricular here?


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#31 2007-08-10 10:38 am

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Re: Drinking age

Drinking age was 18 in Wisconsin when I turned 18 in 1982, it was 19 in Minnesota at the time (no, I didn't RUSH across the border on my 18th b-day, I didn't see the point).  Then the law changed to 21 when I was 20, but people my age were grandfathered in so we could still go to the bar.


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#32 2007-08-10 11:34 am

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Re: Drinking age

I have a problem with it. Here we have young men and women fighting over seas and can't have a beer with their buddies at home. Unless it's on base. What does that say to them? We love you enough to protect you from drunk driving but not enough to send you to a war zone. We trust you with M-16s and 'nades but don't trust you enough to hold a beer. C'mon how smurfed up is that!?! Yeah I know this is specific to service people and not everyone is in the service. Still any 18 yo can go buy a rifle or shotgun but not a beer. Why? Because the NRA doesn't give a smurf about beer and MADD doesn't give a smurf about guns.


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#33 2007-08-10 12:43 pm

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Re: Drinking age

Actually, they can't drink on base either.  For the most part.


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#34 2007-08-10 12:56 pm

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Re: Drinking age

Daniel wrote:

Actually, they can't drink on base either.  For the most part.

Really? When did that change? Granted it's been a few years since I've spoken with enlisted.


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#35 2007-08-10 1:01 pm

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Re: Drinking age

I think the drinking age should be 18.  Back in mah day, some underage folks would go across the border to BC since the drinking age there is 19.  But I agree, if you can sign a legal contract, make life or death decisions and join the military you should be able to drink.

On that same note however, I would fully support raising the driving age to 18.


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#36 2007-08-10 1:03 pm

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Re: Drinking age

How about you get a special pass to start drinking early if you graduate from high school with at least a 3.0....

smile


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#37 2007-08-10 1:04 pm

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Re: Drinking age

robco wrote:

I think the drinking age should be 18.  Back in mah day, some underage folks would go across the border to BC since the drinking age there is 19.  But I agree, if you can sign a legal contract, make life or death decisions and join the military you should be able to drink.

On that same note however, I would fully support raising the driving age to 18.

I agree with all of this.  I think the driving age is too low (in places where it is 16).


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#38 2007-08-10 3:12 pm

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Re: Drinking age

bratboy wrote:

How about you get a special pass to start drinking early if you graduate from high school with at least a 3.0....

smile

I don't know, man, that's pretty drunk.  Oh, wait, do you mean GPA?


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#39 2007-08-10 3:47 pm

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Re: Drinking age

I was at about a 3.0 the night I graduated from high school....

blotto


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#40 2007-08-10 6:09 pm

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Re: Drinking age

Interesting. I had no idea states set their own drinking ages. It's been 21 here longer than i've been an adult.

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#41 2007-08-10 6:21 pm

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Re: Drinking age

Being the old bastard that I am, I remember the drinking age being 18 here in AZ, then 19... then eventually 21 like everyone else.

We still have drive thru liquor stores though. tongue

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#42 2007-08-10 6:51 pm

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Re: Drinking age

Why is the drinking age in the US so high?


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#43 2007-08-10 7:53 pm

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Re: Drinking age

To make it harder for us to nail 16 year girls.


Aw, he's no fun, he fell right over.

Unless you become as little children, there's no way you will believe this crap.

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#44 2007-08-10 8:21 pm

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Re: Drinking age

FutureDreamz wrote:

Why is the drinking age in the US so high?

Because of a neo-prohibitionist lobby known as Mothers Against Drunk Driving utilizing manipulated (and sometimes blatantly false) statistics to induce a moral panic in the nation in order to make a reactionary extortionist federal law based more on emotion and fear than logic and rationality.


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#45 2007-08-10 8:22 pm

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Re: Drinking age

justine wrote:

Interesting. I had no idea states set their own drinking ages. It's been 21 here longer than i've been an adult.

When I turned 18 I got to drink for about 48 weeks then the age went up to 19 and I had to wait almost a month. Then I was able to drink until they raised it to 21 and again I couldn't drink for just shy of a month, then I could again.
Ya see...the laws changed on the New Year and my birthday is Jan 26th, that was a topsyturvy time.


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#46 2007-08-10 8:26 pm

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Re: Drinking age

I drank (and got into bars) despite the age minimums. shrug

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#47 2007-08-10 8:33 pm

Aqua OS X
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Re: Drinking age

Phydeaux wrote:

Aqua OS X wrote:

And remind me to buy bratboy a beer at macworld.

A twenty dollar convention beer, or are we talking extra curricular here?

A buddy and my did find the secret beer booth last year. It was kind of fun being the only people walking around the show room floor with beers.

Ohh and I've kind of stopped paying for MacWorld. I usually stumble upon a free floor pass and just walk into see the guest speakers anyway shrug

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#48 2007-08-10 9:32 pm

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Re: Drinking age

Daniel wrote:

FutureDreamz wrote:

Why is the drinking age in the US so high?

Because of a neo-prohibitionist lobby known as Mothers Against Drunk Driving utilizing manipulated (and sometimes blatantly false) statistics to induce a moral panic in the nation in order to make a reactionary extortionist federal law based more on emotion and fear than logic and rationality.

Have you ever read the history of cannabis?  Now there's a story of ugly manipulation of the facts!


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#49 2007-08-10 11:22 pm

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Re: Drinking age

I have a feeling Daniel gives kids wine in Pepsi cans.

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#50 2007-08-11 12:47 am

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Re: Drinking age

No, he just drinks a daily six-pack.


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