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#1 2007-08-20 7:10 pm

somedude9325
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Mac Pro for Video-How much do you need?

I want to get a MacPro specifically for video editing and am still unclear on what exactly I need as far as specs.  I don't want to skimp on things just to save money, but I also don't want to max it out if it's not necessary.  What would you recommend?

Also, what are the differences with the video cards? -other than the price difference smile

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#2 2007-08-20 7:24 pm

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Re: Mac Pro for Video-How much do you need?

Go with the dual 3.0 GHz if you can afford it.  You won't be sorry.

As far as the video card is concerned the X1900 XT with 512mb of GDDR3 RAM is about the nicest card you can get now if I'm not mistaken.  (Without going to a professional CAD card.)

Check out this page for the differences in the offerings for video cards that Apple has.

http://www.apple.com/macpro/graphics.html

A big fat hard drive is also recommended for doing your video editing.  What I did is keep the stock drive (250 GB for me) and add a big fat drive for data and video (750 GB +).

That should get you started with a fairly decent machine.


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#3 2007-08-21 5:51 am

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Re: Mac Pro for Video-How much do you need?

And RAM.

LOTS of RAM!


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#4 2007-08-21 7:05 am

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Re: Mac Pro for Video-How much do you need?

Depends on the format?  What do you want to edit? SD, HD, HDV?

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#5 2007-08-21 8:26 am

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Re: Mac Pro for Video-How much do you need?

I want it to be able to handle hd, hdv etc.

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#6 2007-08-21 5:27 pm

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Re: Mac Pro for Video-How much do you need?

Don't forget a fast dedicated scratch disk.

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#7 2007-08-22 6:44 pm

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Re: Mac Pro for Video-How much do you need?

Buy ram from somewhere other than Apple. Its armed robbery there.


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#8 2007-08-23 3:36 pm

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Re: Mac Pro for Video-How much do you need?

somedude9325 wrote:

I want it to be able to handle hd, hdv etc.

Well HDV has the same data rate as DV, which is 25Mbps.  Real HD like DVCPRO-HD, HDCAM, uncompressed can run from 100 Mbps to a whole lot more.

I dual G5 will handle HD.  The most important thing for you is going to be RAM and fast hard drives if you want to handle any HD format besides HDV.

There are lots of good choices for hard drive arrays; but I would highly recommend you get one that interfaces with the computer over FibreChannel.  Apple's Xserve is a good choice as well some of the higher end products from G-technology.  Rorke makes some very nice Ultra320 SCSI enclosures also.

For anything other than HDV it will take some investment.

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#9 2007-08-23 6:00 pm

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Re: Mac Pro for Video-How much do you need?

Even though it's the same data rate, HDV is a lot more processor intensive than DV, as it's a completely different and more tightly compressed file structure.  A G5 can "handle" it, but it's a much smoother process on a mac pro.


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#10 2007-08-23 8:26 pm

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Re: Mac Pro for Video-How much do you need?

I would be concerned about tossing long, sustained loads repeatedly on an iMac. Thats a tight heat envelope enclosure and laptop components are more geared towards energy conservation than tuned to sustained loads the way the MacPro Xeons are.


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#11 2007-08-24 9:02 am

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Re: Mac Pro for Video-How much do you need?

Okay, I know I need lots of RAM, but how much is too much?  Where are some third party places I could get RAM from?

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#12 2007-08-24 9:21 am

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Re: Mac Pro for Video-How much do you need?

Crucial is one good place for RAM, and this site advertises for it so you should be able to find the url.


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#13 2007-08-24 11:56 am

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Re: Mac Pro for Video-How much do you need?

For RAM, I go to ramseeker to do some price shopping. While I follow the camp of "there's no such thing as too much RAM," in a situation where you have to keep to a budget, 2GB is the lowest I'd go.


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#14 2007-08-24 12:48 pm

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Re: Mac Pro for Video-How much do you need?

Gatchaman wrote:

Even though it's the same data rate, HDV is a lot more processor intensive than DV, as it's a completely different and more tightly compressed file structure.  A G5 can "handle" it, but it's a much smoother process on a mac pro.

Well I guess I do not have to worry then, because I think HDV is a crap format. In fact anything that use GOP type compression is crap for editing. (and yes I know they have technically found a way to edit it, it is still crap)

Go with DVCPRO HD or Apple's new ProRes422.

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#15 2007-08-28 2:10 pm

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Re: Mac Pro for Video-How much do you need?

avkills wrote:

Gatchaman wrote:

Even though it's the same data rate, HDV is a lot more processor intensive than DV, as it's a completely different and more tightly compressed file structure.  A G5 can "handle" it, but it's a much smoother process on a mac pro.

Well I guess I do not have to worry then, because I think HDV is a crap format. In fact anything that use GOP type compression is crap for editing. (and yes I know they have technically found a way to edit it, it is still crap)

Go with DVCPRO HD or Apple's new ProRes422.

-mark

If you have the $12000 for the camera, go for it. 

Does any camera actually use ProRes422 yet?


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#16 2007-08-28 4:33 pm

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Re: Mac Pro for Video-How much do you need?

Gatchaman wrote:

avkills wrote:

Gatchaman wrote:

Even though it's the same data rate, HDV is a lot more processor intensive than DV, as it's a completely different and more tightly compressed file structure.  A G5 can "handle" it, but it's a much smoother process on a mac pro.

Well I guess I do not have to worry then, because I think HDV is a crap format. In fact anything that use GOP type compression is crap for editing. (and yes I know they have technically found a way to edit it, it is still crap)

Go with DVCPRO HD or Apple's new ProRes422.

-mark

If you have the $12000 for the camera, go for it. 

Does any camera actually use ProRes422 yet?

No, but I really like the fact that it is full frame as opposed to HDV and DVCPRO HD which are not full frame, they are both anamorphic-ally squeezed a bit.

There is nothing saying you could not shoot in Digital Beta or HDCAM and then digitize in using ProRes422...which is probably the workflow most would use.

AJA Video has a new Firewire800 interface that has the ProRes 422 codec in hardware.  It is the sweetness.

-mark

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#17 2007-08-29 11:01 pm

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Re: Mac Pro for Video-How much do you need?

I am running a first generation Mac Pro, 2.66ghz processors with 4 gigs of ram and it handily works with DVCPRO HD files from the AG-HVX200.  I dont think I've gotten any error messages for RT Extreme.  I also run Motion, Soundtrack Pro, and DVD Studio Pro a lot of the time as well, and multitask.

I have the X1900 w/512 as well.  Works wonderfully with 2 x 30" Cinema HD monitors.


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