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#1 2007-08-27 7:49 am
#2 2007-08-27 7:54 am
- Daddyo
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Re: Gonzales resigns as attorney general: official
This should make a lot of people happy.
A million seconds is 12 days.
A billion seconds is 31 years.
A trillion seconds is 31,688 years.
Hope and change could be forever.
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#3 2007-08-27 7:55 am
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Re: Gonzales resigns as attorney general: official
The timing was smart, the controversy was much lower in volume. It won't be a big victory for the Dems.
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#4 2007-08-27 8:19 am
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Re: Gonzales resigns as attorney general: official
Actually, although it could be viewed as a partisan attempt, the criticism of Bertie's tenure was about governmental corruption that transcended partisanship.
I guess he would have had to stay until the end of the administration, otherwise. At least according to that likely bogus rule that turd blossom quoted as the reason for him to jump the ship.
Aw, he's no fun, he fell right over.
Unless you become as little children, there's no way you will believe this crap.
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#5 2007-08-27 8:34 am
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Re: Gonzales resigns as attorney general: official
ShnickyShnack wrote:
The timing was smart, the controversy was much lower in volume. It won't be a big victory for the Dems.
Well, I for one, am looking forward to months of confirmation hearings.
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#6 2007-08-27 8:38 am
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Re: Gonzales resigns as attorney general: official
jerwin wrote:
ShnickyShnack wrote:
The timing was smart, the controversy was much lower in volume. It won't be a big victory for the Dems.
Well, I for one, am looking forward to months of confirmation hearings.
I wonder if there's a way to arrange things so there can be a recess appointment or some other non-confirmed method.
Who's going to want the job; Chertoff?
It'll have to be a security-minded type, lest subpoenas be honoured.
when surrounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
and the women come out to cut up what remains,
just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains,
and go to your god like a soldier...
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#7 2007-08-27 9:23 am
- JakeTheTall
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Re: Gonzales resigns as attorney general: official
Freedom is on the march !
Jesus said to the servants, "Fill the jars with water"; so they filled them to the brim. Then he told them, "Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet." They did so, and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew.
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#8 2007-08-27 9:41 am
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Re: Gonzales resigns as attorney general: official
Ribtorus wrote:
jerwin wrote:
ShnickyShnack wrote:
The timing was smart, the controversy was much lower in volume. It won't be a big victory for the Dems.
Well, I for one, am looking forward to months of confirmation hearings.
I wonder if there's a way to arrange things so there can be a recess appointment or some other non-confirmed method.
Bush'd have to break his word to Harry Reid. Wouldn't be the first time.
George Bush: "If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator."
George Bush: "One of the hardest parts of my job is to try to connect Iraq to the war on terror."
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#9 2007-08-27 9:50 am
- bedstuy
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Re: Gonzales resigns as attorney general: official
ShnickyShnack wrote:
The timing was smart, the controversy was much lower in volume. It won't be a big victory for the Dems.
Oh please. Rumsfeld, Rove and now Gonzales. Right, no victory.
Anyway, it shouldn't be about "victory" it should be about either not hiring incompetent, political hacks in the first place and/or letting the incompetents go BEFORE it becomes so dire.
But hey, that's the issue isn't it? The upper lever smurf don't ever see the incompetence in the first place so we arrive at all the messiness politically. But hey, let's just blame the Democrats!
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#10 2007-08-27 9:56 am
- bedstuy
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Re: Gonzales resigns as attorney general: official
Ribtorus wrote:
Who's going to want the job; Chertoff?
Katrina, anyone?
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#11 2007-08-27 9:59 am
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Re: Gonzales resigns as attorney general: official
Effective 9.17.
I think his 'mission:accomplished' is in the PatActII reauthorization, which as we now know, includes several fine print items, and the legalization by Congress of the FISA violations with heavy odds against a repeal of same.
But, still, there a riff off Howard Cosell's immortal words: "DOWN GOES GONZO! DOWN GOES GONZO!"
IA/AG for the forseeable future is current Solicitor General Paul Clement.
http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_ne … aul-f.html
hmmm....wasn't Bork the Solicitor Gen. back during the SatNiteMass?
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#12 2007-08-27 10:11 am
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Re: Gonzales resigns as attorney general: official
bedstuy wrote:
Ribtorus wrote:
Who's going to want the job; Chertoff?
Katrina, anyone?
Competence isn't the standard.
A Chertoff nomination would be some nicely distracting theatre.
when surrounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
and the women come out to cut up what remains,
just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains,
and go to your god like a soldier...
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#13 2007-08-27 10:13 am
Re: Gonzales resigns as attorney general: official
And if you think incompetence is a problem under Bush, just imagine the sort of appointees we'd get with President Giuliani...
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#14 2007-08-27 10:14 am
- ShnickyShnack
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Re: Gonzales resigns as attorney general: official
bedstuy wrote:
ShnickyShnack wrote:
The timing was smart, the controversy was much lower in volume. It won't be a big victory for the Dems.
Oh please. Rumsfeld, Rove and now Gonzales. Right, no victory.
Anyway, it shouldn't be about "victory" it should be about either not hiring incompetent, political hacks in the first place and/or letting the incompetents go BEFORE it becomes so dire.
But hey, that's the issue isn't it? The upper lever smurf don't ever see the incompetence in the first place so we arrive at all the messiness politically. But hey, let's just blame the Democrats!
In any sane polity, the combined results of 9/11, Iraq, Katrina, Congressional scandals and a ballooning deficit would've completely destroyed the Republican Party. The fact that this hasn't happened suggests that the old rules no longer apply (unfortunately).
Or maybe what's smurfed-up is the fact that the Democrats haven't been able to convert the above-entitled catastrophes into massive political gains.
Regardless, what is is what is.
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#15 2007-08-27 10:14 am
Re: Gonzales resigns as attorney general: official
The Democrats don't have the grapes. They're pussies, plain and simple.
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#16 2007-08-27 10:17 am
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Re: Gonzales resigns as attorney general: official
ShnickyShnack wrote:
bedstuy wrote:
ShnickyShnack wrote:
The timing was smart, the controversy was much lower in volume. It won't be a big victory for the Dems.
Oh please. Rumsfeld, Rove and now Gonzales. Right, no victory.
Anyway, it shouldn't be about "victory" it should be about either not hiring incompetent, political hacks in the first place and/or letting the incompetents go BEFORE it becomes so dire.
But hey, that's the issue isn't it? The upper lever smurf don't ever see the incompetence in the first place so we arrive at all the messiness politically. But hey, let's just blame the Democrats!In any sane polity, the combined results of 9/11, Iraq, Katrina, Congressional scandals and a ballooning deficit would've completely destroyed the Republican Party. The fact that this hasn't happened suggests that the old rules no longer apply (unfortunately).
Or maybe what's smurfed-up is the fact that the Democrats haven't been able to convert the above-entitled catastrophes into massive political gains.
Regardless, what is is what is.
Competence isn't the standard.
when surrounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
and the women come out to cut up what remains,
just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains,
and go to your god like a soldier...
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#17 2007-08-27 10:19 am
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Re: Gonzales resigns as attorney general: official
Ribtorus wrote:
bedstuy wrote:
Ribtorus wrote:
Who's going to want the job; Chertoff?
Katrina, anyone?
Competence isn't the standard.
A Chertoff nomination would be some nicely distracting theatre.
Agreed. There won't be a replacement confirmed. This is pro-forma to make it look like there's a new nominee. Meanwhile, Clement will continue the current regime:
http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1073944820670
A Bushie from waaay-back.
It will be a net plus for the forces in power, playing the partisan non-confirmation card, and flying the same crap under the radar. Could even seep into the '08 elections, what with the DoJ/USA political indictment/investigation caveats whited-out from the SOP as described in the handbook for DoJ/USA.
http://www.nationalcampaignforfairelect … oj_manual/
Nothing has changed.
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#18 2007-08-27 10:20 am
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Re: Gonzales resigns as attorney general: official
Ribtorus wrote:
Competence isn't the standard.
It's a liability?
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#19 2007-08-27 10:22 am
- ShnickyShnack
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Re: Gonzales resigns as attorney general: official
Ribtorus wrote:
ShnickyShnack wrote:
bedstuy wrote:
Oh please. Rumsfeld, Rove and now Gonzales. Right, no victory.
Anyway, it shouldn't be about "victory" it should be about either not hiring incompetent, political hacks in the first place and/or letting the incompetents go BEFORE it becomes so dire.
But hey, that's the issue isn't it? The upper lever smurf don't ever see the incompetence in the first place so we arrive at all the messiness politically. But hey, let's just blame the Democrats!In any sane polity, the combined results of 9/11, Iraq, Katrina, Congressional scandals and a ballooning deficit would've completely destroyed the Republican Party. The fact that this hasn't happened suggests that the old rules no longer apply (unfortunately).
Or maybe what's smurfed-up is the fact that the Democrats haven't been able to convert the above-entitled catastrophes into massive political gains.
Regardless, what is is what is.Competence isn't the standard.
Thanks for the update.
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#20 2007-08-27 10:56 am
- bedstuy
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Re: Gonzales resigns as attorney general: official
What I like are the freeper-types who are always screaming the "Don't Blame Bush!" meme (or rather they scream that Dems always "Blame Bush!") but when you get down to it, it is all ultimately Bush's fault. He hired all of the buffoons, and he's run the US government in the ground just like he did Arubusto and Harken. He's a moron and an idiot and there's just no way to get around this fact.
Carry on.
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#21 2007-08-27 11:03 am
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Re: Gonzales resigns as attorney general: official
OK.
Early returns are in.
CNN:
Did Attorney General Gonzales make the right decision by stepping down?
Yes 86% 11117
No 14% 1810
Total Votes: 12927
CSPAN's Capitol News:
http://www.capitalnews.org/
Did Attorney General Alberto Gonzales receive an unfair amount of criticism?
Yes
14%
No
86%
Total Votes: 811
I wonder if those splits are accurate no matter the sample size.
Bush beauty:
Bush says aide's name was 'dragged through the mud' by opponents
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#22 2007-08-27 11:07 am
Re: Gonzales resigns as attorney general: official
Considering that several Republicans were calling for him to resign, the poll results aren't terribly surprising.
I wonder how many neocon idealists wish they could go back in time to the 2000 primaries and back a different horse.
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#23 2007-08-27 11:24 am
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Re: Gonzales resigns as attorney general: official
robco wrote:
I wonder how many neocon idealists wish they could go back in time to the 2000 primaries and back a different horse.
Actual neo-cons? I bet most of them. They'll have to denounce Bush lest their entire ideology be tainted by his incompetence. Not that their ideology had a chance anyway, but they need to pin the blame on someone, and you can be sure it won't be on themselves.
when surrounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
and the women come out to cut up what remains,
just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains,
and go to your god like a soldier...
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#24 2007-08-27 11:25 am
- Beagle/Bro.
- Sally Tally/Bookeeper

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Re: Gonzales resigns as attorney general: official
Ribtorus wrote:
robco wrote:
I wonder how many neocon idealists wish they could go back in time to the 2000 primaries and back a different horse.
Actual neo-cons? I bet most of them. They'll have to denounce Bush lest their entire ideology be tainted by his incompetence. Not that their ideology had a chance anyway, but they need to pin the blame on someone, and you can be sure it won't be on themselves.
Can we get you to Chair the Truth/Reconciliation and WarCrimes tribunals?
"I am...operational...my circuits are functioning.."
http://www.wisdomquotes.com/002921.html
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#25 2007-08-27 11:28 am
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Re: Gonzales resigns as attorney general: official
Beagle/Bro. wrote:
Ribtorus wrote:
robco wrote:
I wonder how many neocon idealists wish they could go back in time to the 2000 primaries and back a different horse.
Actual neo-cons? I bet most of them. They'll have to denounce Bush lest their entire ideology be tainted by his incompetence. Not that their ideology had a chance anyway, but they need to pin the blame on someone, and you can be sure it won't be on themselves.
Can we get you to Chair the Truth/Reconciliation and WarCrimes tribunals?
They're statists; they'll just swing back to the Democrats. They're not going anywhere, but they may lie low for a while.
when surrounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
and the women come out to cut up what remains,
just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains,
and go to your god like a soldier...
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